Jordan Peterson post benzo recovery videos tracker

Deef

One of the things I’m most curious about is to see how Jordan changes after the humbling experiences of the chaos around his wife’s cancer treatment which had a miraculous recovery. But more so his post recovery state from benzo withdrawal.

Will this experience soften him? will there be a rebirth? etc. And how will his direction change after being out of things for two years, but his virtual presence continued while he was physically away..

1h50m

33:13

i’m still struggling with that

i get up, i can hardly stand up when i wake up in the morning
i feel so bad i can’t believe i can be alive and feel that bad
i stumble downstairs and i’m in the sauna for about an hour and a half
and then i can stand up long enough to have a shower which i do for about 20 minutes and i scrub myself from top to bottom trying to wake up and then i can more or less get upstairs and i eat
and then i walk like 10 miles every day because i need to do that
in order to deal with this, whatever it is, that’s plaguing me and
i can get myself to the point where by this time in the afternoon i’m more or less functional

but then it repeats the next day and > it’s terrible,
it’s so terrible, that i can’t think about it without it being traumatic
so i have a hard time figuring out where to place my mind
because this has been happening every day really for two years
i think it’s fair to say that

every single day of the last two years

has been worse than any day i had previous to that

79:11

the online environment is also making everyone acutely paranoid

and i think the reason is that for everyone, it’s easy for our thinking to go to astray

Other people tap you back into shape and you’re surrounded by a kind of random assortment of other people in the real world, because you didn’t select them. So because it’s random, it provides you with, what is in essence, relatively unbiased feedback information.
But online, you can choose your compatriots and it’s likely to be the case that, at your weakest point psychologically, you choose the least demanding compatriots and so your craziest ideas are the least likely to be challenged.
…
i’ve had the experience of being in an environment where a very large number of people don’t agree with me vociferously. What i would say is a little of that goes a long way.
Even if you’re someone who wants to be able to tolerate dissent,
there’s a limited amount of dissent that you actually can tolerate

You are going to seek out an environment
where most people agree with you, but some people don’t, some of the time.
It’s kind of like listening to music, you’ll like music that’s optimally different from what you are enjoying right now
if it’s exactly the same it’s boring if it’s too different you can’t hear it

there’s an amount of novelty that you can tolerate, but it’s not that large
Even people who have been trained to look for evidence that disproves their own theories, they’re only going to be able to tolerate a tiny bit of that at a time

it’s too destabilizing

Bret’s story of resignation from Evergreen State College

8:50
i fought back anyway and my sense was i had tenure
and i was well liked and i was well known i had been there for 14 years
I didn’t think they had the power to get rid of me
and that gave me the ability to say what needed to be said about these proposals

well the upshot is that ultimately protesters, 50 students that i had never met showed up at my classroom,
accused me of racism, demanded that i either be fired or resign
i told them i wouldn’t and riots broke out at the college in which faculty and administrators were kidnapped
i was apparently hunted car to car on campus by protesters
the police were stood down by the college president
and we were basically left to fend for ourselves with student patrols roving the campus with weapons, baseball bats and the like
so it was a chaotic scene there was a lot of interest in it because it was very colorful
but of course most people back in 2017 dismissed this an overreaction but
you know how college students are
and those of us who saw it up close knew that couldn’t be the case
that it would ultimately spill out into civilization
and now it’s everywhere, we see it taking over institution after institution in the u.s and canada
we see it making tremendous strides in government and there’s no telling where it ends

Deef

earlier clip

Jordan Peterson talks about benzodiazepines and depression

8m02s

With severe depression you lose positive emotion and gain a lot of negative emotion
But with this Akathisia it was like all of the negative emotion associated with depression
plus a very high level of anxiety plus no positive emotion at all
plus the inability to ever relax even for a moment
I wouldn’t recommend it yes watch the hell out for benzodiazepines.
…
the other thing that the benzodiazepine withdrawal did that was absolutely dreadful
was produce a sense of time distortion
…
and so not only was I in pain and experiencing extremely high levels of anxiety

the duration of time had extended so that it was really unbearable

it was like the days were just lasting forever

Fryek

YES… it’s incredible that he had never heard of benzo withdrawal! IT’S ALWAYS DESCRIBED AS WORSE THAN DEATH!

I’ve never been in it… never abused drugs of any sort to that degree… was always afraid of withdrawal from Benzo’s… only used ever for a week at a time maximum (but they felt great!)…

But, there’s no shortage of first hand experience on the web with benzo withdrawal… worse than heroin.

I’ve had withdrawal from Effexor… that took a month or more to get through… and that was bad enough… but no way i’m messing with benzo’s.

Deef

Good to see more Peterson content and that he’s more active. I haven’t gotten a chance to fully dive into his new book, but listening to the first few chapters was a bit of a chore. Jordan’s timing, rhythm and edge isn’t the same as before.

He’s still got good wisdom and insights, but it’s not as sharp as before, or somehow different…

Watched through his recent Q&A video he posted, and felt that he was struggling without having a direct audience to bounce off of.. Talking to a camera is a lot different feel and maybe style?? different muscle?

I pulled 2 excerpts that were pertinent to codependents, and started playing with adding subtitles and text boxes.

1m49s

3m05s

Persephone

Deef I’ll check out the Peterson on Rogan podcast, see if it’s as challenging as Pierre describes…

Pierre’s and my impressions align. It was very rough — well worth the watch/listen if you’re into cringe. I ran the Bay Area JBP meetup group for most of a year, starting when we were forced onto Zoom in March 2020. I was something of a fangirl, you might say. No more. Vaknin’s excoriating characterizations of Peterson have just been made blatantly manifest.

Deef

Persephone well worth the watch/listen if you’re into cringe

I finally found it and catching portions I can see the criticisms..
But it’s also so awesome though… I think people are underestimating the devastating effects of benzo withdrawal and all the different treatments to recover… he’s really not fully back yet, nor he might not ever go back to the old JBP… there is something about facing mortality…

but the time distortion part… of losing touch with shared reality… that’s major…. and I’m sensing that’s a good portion of the missing signals and not talking in a shared language with Joe Rogan…

JBP did have have strong blindspots pre-benzo’s… he’d hammer out his theories in an excessively trapping and overly certain way….. very clever with language.. but that’s also what made him so entertaining and captivating…

ok.. i’ll have to clear out more specific time to fully watch it…
…..
watching a bit more… it feels like he’s been on acid trips and still taking from that other worldly type of space… maybe with a bit too much utopian type fantasy ideas…. but on the flip side there might be some gems hidden in this interview… his thinking is way too non-linear…. almost like opposite of what he was like before… too linear to levels of a blindspot..

ICS

Deef it feels like he’s been on acid trips and still taking from that other worldly type of space… maybe with a bit too much utopian type fantasy ideas…. but on the flip side there might be some gems hidden in this interview… his thinking is way too non-linear…. almost like opposite of what he was like before… too linear to levels of a blindspot..

Could it be that he hasn’t recovered yet of the drug he took?
I went to look up what “benzo” is….
It seems that there is a long list of drugs XXX-zepam
One of the negative side effects of this kinds of drugs seems to be that it distorts the quality of your sleep. A person that takes it for a period of time…gets not enough R.EM. and deep sleep cycles.
So say if you take it for a month…it has the same effect on your brain like if you would take the challenge to sleep like maximum 4 hours per night and not very deep.
The lack of sleep can have an immense impact on learning, thinking, remembering, focus….etc..
So if you take drugs that distort cycles of quality sleep…It may take long to regain a certain stability. And than we are not even speaking about the “detox” time…to get the product components out of your brain…as it seems that the drug interacts with receptors in the brain.

I have to admit that I didn’t follow the whole story of what has happened in his life. But I heard that he became some sort of celeb as a psychology prof.
I had to look up the “zepam” drugs to know what it is….The main thing that it does is sedating. Sedation can’t replace sleep. What made him to chose for sedation?
To me it sounds a little bit weird that a man who has studied so much would not look up the medication that is prescribed to him and what the side affects may be. And even when he did, how bad must your condition be that you still chose to take them? He must have had a rough time…and probably still in it.

Deef

Finished the Joe Rogan Experience interview over a few days. The 2nd half has a lot more useful insights.

This is one portion that caught my attention. Youtube blocked it with copyright violation. Guessing spotify is working hard to keep their content theirs. But it’s so easy to miss these gems, if you were to listen to the full 4 hours.

JORDAN PETERSON - NAVIGATING DYNAMICS OF COMEDY, LECTURES & IMPROV 10m05s

Oh…. and looks like bitchute doesn’t do auto transcripts like youtube.

another excerpt:

The Dynamics of THE LOGOS - Interest & Giving Speech from the Depth 3m42s