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bonus gift…

I didn’t put much time in reflecting or thinking a reply… just went with my gut

this second reply, caught on to some inconsistencies..

It’s hard not to fall into chasing….
She’s attacking my credibility, character and whatever else… throwing the kitchen sink…

but why should I care about some random stranger’s criticisms…

plus… she’s making a case for what a therapist is really like…. does she think she’s making herself look good, by just attacking and picking me apart??

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Elvenbae jumps into the thread:

He’s backtracking a bit, with it can be harmful.
Why the fuck should I care about causing harm… who’s responsibility is that… the random person on youtube who’s consuming free content… that’s who…

But if this person has BPD inner workings, that might be the most he’s willing to yield…
they’re such fragile pussies inside…
like a thin sheet of glass… his inner world must really suck…

I’ll continue to hammer down on this talking down call out…
that could be something hard to counter…. and if he keeps ignoring it, that’s more evidence of his fragility or therapy hat is stapled on his head… can’t get out of that mode…. tsk tsk…

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Hilarious to see him struggle to NOT talk down to me…. look at the awkwardness?

it’s like kryptonite??

ohh… I suppose his earlier argument was it’s like the ultimate good, to put tons of energy in NOT harming someone else…

so pointing that out… bamm….. moral dilemma…. he’s no longer allowed to be such an asshole himself…

introduced some ego dystony…. forcing a self correction?

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at some point you stop feeling comfortable that’s when your healing starts
when you transition from ego syntony to ego dystony
you’re beginning to develop a dissonance usually it’s a cognitive dissonance
you begin to feel uncomfortable
that is the beginning of your healing

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This YT comment war is harder to track…

But essentially, the commenter is just flooding noise and gets outraged that I’m trying to enforce a social norm for expressing something clear, and then related to the video.

Eventually I figure out all his behaviors are consistently showing engulfment anxiety, a schizoid that’s terrified to go outside of his dominant frame, can’t join anyone else’s frame or build a working relationship. His whole game is to fragment and get the other to act out and chase into an undefined frame that goes no where.

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Schizoid’s don’t know how to regulate.. because their counter, rejection, sabotage stance doesn’t work on soothing and calming freaked out inner children….

they regulate by dumping murderous rage outward, or getting others to act that out against them.. so they can feel terrified by the world…. giving them an excuse to continue being assholes to others, anti-social, and being just a horrible human being.

Good reminder of inner schizoid world and mal-adaptations, along with their ignorance clueless baby defenses.

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A little more back and forth, though Kelly might’ve scared him off? Though I was also starting to hammer him down..

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he replied back to Kelly

I was going to do stronger challenge of his claims, but thought that’d be taking his bait…
I decided to stay more neutral, working with curiosity pointer.

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A small battle in an old Brene Brown clip YT comment

Interesting her description of feeling ‘slapped in the face’ by Brene meme of We Hate you… That might’ve been a tell, that she very sensitive to overt aggression, and squirms around, shaming back when I continue my overt aggression.

Her end of story, bottom line, etc… trying to get the last word in… likely is a clue to how she exiles and contains her inner chatter, littles, and inner children… silencing dissent…. over-writing other’s narratives…

So I bottom lined a counter to narrative non-sense…. she’ll probably respond with some other deflection, redirection…. projection on me for being flawed or broken…. or not respond?

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I’m following a war between spiritual teachers in non-duality/awakening sphere..

A lot of teachers seem to be using schizoid techniques to just self-gaslight themselves out of emotional suffering and shared humanity….

TrueFreedom is Artem who said he had BPD before his awakening, so he’s calling out some fake teachers and it’s been going back and forth through at least 3 videos, and 2 prior video of round table discussions

I’m a bit rusty with non-dual space, but it seems some people are trying to short cut the process, by dominant frame self-brainwashing… picking and choosing beliefs that get close to the experience…. but does it stand up under stress? I suppose it does good enough to get some followers and customers?

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whoa… more replies… this guy is quick… and Artem also jumped in but I didn’t screen cap all of his replies…

if you want to see the comment thread, it’s below this original comment:

@thomascreedon (edited)
I believe this issue ultimately boils down to expectations. Artem’s behavior does not align with others’ expectations, both in terms of how interactions might unfold and what an enlightened person should be like. Artem constantly challenges these expectations, consistently and unwaveringly, which can be difficult for people to interpret.

I have learned to appreciate Artem as almost a perfect barometer or litmus test for one’s spiritual attainments or egoic attachments. He is singularly focused on the authenticity and congruence of behavior, speech, and actions, to a degree that most people find imperceptible, leading to further confusion.

The beef is about Artem’s behavior? or is it to save potential seekers? or save and change Artem into a better teacher?

Artem’s description of the beef seems more tangible and describes specific interactions..

I guess I got tired and decided to take a stronger side, and call out some of his schizoid traits… already evidenced by the way he’s replying to me and has replied to others..

one more comment by me, looks like they’ve moved onto other heated comment threads… one is 118 replies deep!

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more comments ….

he stonewalls with excess certainty & empty claims

No use going point by point, cuz he’s in rejection mode.

He’s now shown enough of a pattern in this back and forth, along with tons of other comment battles, and on video too. So what do I have to lose with using some psychoanalyzing; and then try to link it to trauma.

This is a counter to his false distinction that spirituality & mental health issues are two totally separate realms.

He’ll likely continue same pattern of dominant frame comebacks to repair his delusion; along with blocking feedback.

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This from discord channel Jacob’s Ladder https://discord.com/invite/Wn2AqhkH7x
Part of this Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@faturechi and part of a loose group called TLC This Little Corner? affiliated with Paul Vanderklay

I stumbled upon this community by this livestream:

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and I was sympathetic to Jacob’s plea about Nechama’s manipulation patterns, though on further review Jacob might’ve been more pissed off because Nechama rejected him by not allowing him into her livestream…

this later back and forth (which ended earlier today) on his Discord channel sorta shows a pattern of a short fuse for Jacob:

I did some homework watching additional livestreams and discovering this ideal of ‘fountain of comfort’..
Then I started questioning for specifics, along with calling out patterns of behavior I was noticing.

Jacob brags that his discord and community is not avoiding discomfort here.

I thought I’d try to build a bridge around codependent because that was also talked about in Jacob’s recent livestream with Gage… but Jacob just offered an injunction.

Yosef jumps in, with argument that processing happens in VC not livestreams… with conceding 2nd point that discord is mostly intellectualization?

I’m noticing vague pointers of mutual and fountain, which I feel is more magical thinking utopia, vs any genuine shared reality.

I’m quoting from Jacob’s reply from a different channel #general… but he’s making a distinction that doesn’t exist so clearly in shared reality…. then he counters his own argument, as the goal of the fountain of comfort project is to bring the expertise into the community..

So I challenge that ideal, asking for evidence, and countering in advance, counter-evidence I’ve seen.

Jacob continues the pattern of strawman/splitting…. over simplifying and attacking as his opener….
“Contrary voices are threatening… I will meet w/ aggression!!”

He’s arguing like it’s life or death.. his primitive defenses are taking over…

Jacob gets sloppier…. throwing out Facts as some universal truth… scientism..
which is likely why he’s so into jewish theology…

but he’s not doing any scientific method… he’s just throwing conclusions around… of which science is all probabilities and observations of tiny sectors of reality…

I escalate with pointing out his logical flaws.. is that a fallacy
and he gets frustrated by that

Then he’s got nothing left but hard cut-off… emotional exile…

but he admits.. that he used ad-hominem!

then kicks me off the discord….
oh.. then he emphasizes new rules….

opps… that’s a screen cap of rules from August 2022

I will wait for more evidence of fall out… as I can’t track it in exile….. I will update if I get any updates from others or other sources…

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Deef This from discord channel Jacob’s Ladder https://discord.com/invite/Wn2AqhkH7x

Some more background of Jacob Faturechi

So I guess you are interested in Jacob Faturechi. I have only ever met Jacob on the internet using chat, voice, and video communication. I’ve never touched him or smelled him. But I do recall him teaching me about using rubbing alcohol to help with body odor. This isn’t an insignificant point. In my experience, body odor can be connected to my stress sweat. And the use of alcohol to remove body odor shows signs of intelligence and care about other people’s perceptions. I think Jacob has problems with stress and anxiety. And I think Jacob is smart.

If I want to know more about the meaning of the Hebrew words in the Bible, I feel comfortable going to Jacob.
If I want to know more about insurance, I feel comfortable going to Jacob.
He retains a lot of information and he can teach the information he has learned. He’s smart.

So now I have the good parts out of the way and can dive into the things he isn’t good at.
But first I want to point out that Jacob tells a story about how he was abused.
I think he was in Iran and abused by a family member.
I think it is good to remember this without allowing him to use that experience as a way to manipulate.
Jacob is all about manipulation.
Jacob likes to point at the guy who ran a campaign to make cigarettes attractive to women and bacon attractive for breakfast: Edward Bernays and his writing (Jacob’s posts on Bernays can be found in his discord).

I can honestly say I love Jacob. I can recall the first, second, and third time I’ve experienced unconditional love in my life. And the third time I experienced unconditional love, it was for Jacob and my love for him was a gift from God. Tears streamed down my eyes for Jacob.
Despite my knowledge of the kinds of nasty things Jacob does, I love Jacob and God loves Jacob. This experience really helped me understand the kind of love God has for all people no matter what they have done.

I’ve heard Jacob described as a Machiavellian type because of the tactics he uses. But I don’t think it is fair to equate Jacob with someone who would murder because I don’t think Jacob would murder a person or steal a person’s money. He has some rules he obeys. But he will act within his set of rules to pursue goals which he thinks are good. The biggest problem with Jacob is the biggest problem for many people: including my past self which has only changed in the last year. Jacob doesn’t know God. He doesn’t know the taste of the kind of knowing God which might be compared to the kind of knowing a man and woman do together when creating new life in the world. Jacob doesn’t know this experience of unconditional love which is God’s heart which can be in us as we are in God and which all people can know.

Jacob called me his spiritual brother. And we were spiritual brothers until a year ago.
The difference between me and Jacob is that he is smarter than me. He is more well-read. He has more time and energy to dedicate to this mission (which he wrongly assumes is God’s mission).
We both were trying to be the Messiah (the King) who would help in bringing about God’s kingdom on Earth.
Jacob’s tactics included deception, secrecy, and all kinds of ways to gain influence and power.
My tactics were much more naive (from his perspective).

You might be tempted to think Jacob is doing the things he does subconsciously. Don’t be too sure.

This is something I created to explore who Jacob was and why he did what he did:
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Jacob seem to fit in with strong Narcissistic traits. Ability to love bomb with charisma, but also high ability to aggressively manipulate others for personal goals.

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Deef This from discord channel Jacob’s Ladder https://discord.com/invite/Wn2AqhkH7x
Part of this Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@faturechi and part of a loose group called TLC This Little Corner? affiliated with Paul Vanderklay

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and my Pew is a sincere belief that the Mind should rule over the emotions
I’ve been on psychoactive medications for several, definitely over 10 years now
some of the side effects have sucked, incredibly
there was a time when I was taking one medication
it’s called Lamictal which has what’s called a black box warning
one of the side effects is death
I used to be taking more than the maximum amounts of four different psychoactive medications
I am down to taking normal amounts of two medications
the Mind should rule over the emotions
if you were functioning okay and taking as much psychoactive medication as I was
it would drive you crazy
the Mind should rule over the emotions
I decided to go for my masters of social work
so when I was in undergrad
it was known than people who were in the School of Social Work
who were getting degrees in social work
they were known to be crazy
I decided to go for my masters of social work
this happens a lot
people who go to study psychology do so because their attention is wrapped on problems that they have
the Mind should rule over the emotions
if you’re studying psychology because you have psychological problems
that’s bad
that doesn’t work very well
I decided to go for my masters of social work
the Mind should rule over the emotions

another TLC regular that’s seems a bit more real and genuine vs Jacob

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and if you don’t embody a real solution
you could be on Vivitrol for like a couple of years
but the second you come off of it you’re probably going to pick up again
I see it time and again
some people say their doctors told that they thought they should be on this thing forever
it’s like that’s not going to fix anything
I’m afraid I’m going to be flatlined on my emotions
so I won’t be able to respond to the world in an emotional intimate way
I’m like a donkey that’ll hunk her down in a hail storm
thinking and just waiting for it to pass
you know and it’s painful
it’s very painful when you have very graphic thoughts about exiting this planet that plague you 12 hours of your awake time
while trying to think of other things
it’s painful it sucks
and then you know feeling like you can’t tell people this
well I can’t tell my wife I’m going like this
cuz like I should be more strong and she’s just going to tell me to go on SSRI and it’s exhausting

where I feel most grounded really
is really trying to stretch and put myself in front of other people to the best of my ability and work closely with them in person
trying to make relationships it’s really hard because I don’t like people
they terrify me I’m very opinionated I always have a resting bitch face
I always think that people think I’m either retarded or angry
because they tell me that
and it’s hard
people are very hard
and then on top of it I got this asshole constantly with me in my head
it’s a very poisonous parasite
it’s just this fucking asshole that’s just a total dickweed
always in my fucking brain
trying to convince me just to listen to it
I don’t think it really wants me dead to be quite honest
if I tell you guys this
you fucking guys are gonna be like oh
every time you see are you guys okay
are you is it
are you thinking about that
and I’m be like fuck off dude
I’m just trying be real I don’t need your help I don’t need spiritual surgery
there was a long time for a few years where
every time I drove past that bridge I would I would ask myself
or this asshole in my head would say
do you think that the extension cord in the garage would be able to hold a 300lb man falling from 10 ft and it wouldn’t break
because that was a fear
well if I actually did do it and it broke then I would just be maimed and then I have to live maimed and be a maimed fucking asshole
and that was scary for me
but that thought was constantly in my head
it’s painful it sucks
I’m just trying to be real
I don’t need your help
I don’t need spiritual surgery
fuck off

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What’s the logic here, or just a threat?

apparently the conversation struck a nerve in him….
what specifically it was, seems to not be explored or shared

a bit more:

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herobot behavior is simple
they ignore word meanings
if it sounds good it’s about them, if it sounds bad it’s about anyone who challenges them
positive words salad for them, negative compost word Salad for all the dumb weak evil haters out there who disagree with them
herobots are addicted to that one trick
it’s all they’ve got, they’re one trick ponies
your response to that one trick is to expose it
don’t debate them
they’re just masturbating to you taking the bait
call them on it
expose that that’s all they’re doing
how will they respond with that one trick, because it’s all they’ve got
keep exposing it
their secret superpower is not caring what words mean
and your weakness against them is assuming they care what their words mean
that’s your Kryptonite

these guys will say or do anything to keep feeling triumphant
I’m encouraging you to focus doggedly on that one point
there they go again
they keep proving they’ll make any sound to pretend they’ve already and will always win
not only does this expose what’s really going on with him
but they’ll keep proving you right

accuse them of things that stick to them the more they fight them
see what he did there, this guy will say anything to pretend he’s the hero
he’s not paying attention to what words mean
he’s a word salad tosser, positive word salad for him and negative word salad for anyone who doesn’t cheer his fake heroism
you don’t know me, you’re wrong about me, I don’t do that you do
see there he goes again, it’s all he’s got, he’s a one trick phony pretending he’s right about everything

herobots will always automatically, try to best you
anything you can do, they’ll claim they do better
no matter how bad you make them sound, they’ll always say you’re worse
that’s the Advantage they get from deactivating their consciences
keeping themselves feeling permafirmed and triumphant
Just By ignoring what words mean
their secret superpower is not caring what words mean

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we’re talking about this narcissistic tendency
of you said this thing now I Must Destroy you
everyone who disagrees with me is evil
I used to be that way
everyone who disagrees with me there’s something wrong with them
if their view of the world is different to mine
they must be broken in some way

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he takes an acorn of truth
there’s something true
he takes that acorn and plants it in the ground and Waters it with this fertilizer of hate and the ability to speak quickly with blind conviction
hatred is considered a part of your Shadow, a part of the things that you can’t accept in yourself and you demonize in others
effective lies is built around a kernel of truth but can never lose sight of of that kernel and allow that to make you feel Justified and where that argument can take you
it’s a foolish game to play
so it’s the profound mirror
and this is what hate does
it turns you into the very thing that you think you are fighting
your hatred, if you don’t know how to control it and you don’t know what it’s about makes you into a monster

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I think it’s really really important that we expand the role of women in the corner
but if you understood the context
you would see that her behavior was potentially the problematic one or at the very least also disturbing
there’s a game being played
the more Savvy player was Nechama
she made her point it resonated with me it resonated with pvk
pvk being the more important player in all of this, elevated her and said what a great conversation it was
she successfully amplified her message whereas Jacob shot himself in the foot as you say
I mean if you just want to look at this as a chess match between Nechama and Jacob
well Nechama won that chess that match
she played it better
to some degree there is something of a game, gamesmanship or something gamey about what we do here in this space
Jacob shot himself in the foot as you say
Nechama won that match

Jacob’s reaction to Mark D Parker’s livestream

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxuv_t6ZBj6mQY3KXg75IgSEWFDD6ObpwN

Continuing to lose the chess match to other TLC members & Nechama?

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Jacob triggered by more TLC members & Paul commenting on his behaviors (seems like repeated patterns of behavior)

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxvjUPAOPiCN7uBXY8RqZJzvdEnB6li7SO

He seems to have a double standard here, he’ll cry victim if he gets labeled or defined in ways he doesn’t like. But doesn’t see that he’s doing the same behavior?? It’s like DARVO is auto pilot for him…

Deny… attack the messenger viciously… and a hysterical acting out of victim (reverse victim & offender)

and instead of considering the message, and countering those specifics…

he plays clueless baby…. and then gets lost in bible verse which was used as a metaphor, and totally overlooks the specifics as described in these clips:

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rule number two is
actions speak louder than words
well I’ll tell you something and I know it’s going to get me in real trouble
Jacob used to be at the top of the list
but I was afraid that someone might start at the top and not get any further
so I had Jacob on top and then Jacob went off on someone and I thought
actions speak louder than words
Jacob doesn’t really get a lot of people watching his live streams because he has alienated so many people
actions speak louder than words
here’s the thing
extraordinary people are often extraordinarily difficult
Jacob is an extraordinary person and I love Jacob
I really do
but he is extraordinary and he’s prickly and he’s opinionated and he spouts off
actions speak louder than words
but to me that’s all fun
other people just tell me you know he’s an a-hole
actions speak louder than words
some of the most disagreeable people in the corner I really enjoy
I mean and some of these people have said the most unkind things to me you can imagine
but I still go back and listen more partly because I don’t
I don’t know I like something about that
now what does that say about me
other people just tell me he’s an a-hole
rule number two is actions speak louder than words
he’s an a-hole

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… said my biggest objection to the TLC is sloppy thinking and solipsistic epistemology
the kind of person that finds themself here
he either has ADHD or is on the autism spectrum
rule number one
people behave mostly for their own reasons not because of what they’re reacting to or responding to
and exactly what they’re saying and doing usually comes out of more themselves than what around them
that’s rule number one
rule number two is actions speak louder than words
what they’re saying and doing
usually comes out of more themselves than what’s around them
the TLC is sloppy thinking and and solipsistic epistemology

I’m neurodiverse myself and am somewhere on the autistic spectrum; but a community that ends up enabling the blindspots and repeated patterns of bad behavior, sloppy thinking, and self echo chamber meaning making; that’s sorta taking neurodiverse limitations and making it worse?

When you drive your car, you have mirrors for your blindspots, along with actively turning your head and checking your blindspots before making turns. Isn’t a community there, to help with people’s individual blindspots? To help provide a mirror towards a more complete view of reality.

It’s not about shoving your blindspot onto others, making others more blind, oblivious and confused than they already are?

Let’s learn to work together?? oh… opps… that’s another weakness for neurodiverse people…

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Finally, the Marie-Louse von Franz video clips get some pushback… here’s a slightly heated back and forth, with gcrawford starting to role model animus possession, and she/he likely doesn’t even know it.

Notice how she basically states a bunch of conclusions and orders of how everyone should behave (policing and school teachering)

I counter her with an observation that she’s advocating and playing out passive aggression, as aggression has to go somewhere. If you exclude overt aggression, then it comes out passively. I also describe the price of passive aggression as constantly policing and constant underlying fear.

Then her reply is amazing with more passive aggression, and personal splitting.
Conflict by definition is lack of self containment.
Being able to discuss in a open and vulnerable way, by definition means some level of self containment by both parties, which then means there’s not much conflict.
Then adding this 3rd party idea, is policing… Talking about policy and rules of behavior, is policing…
policy = police = politics

committing to the health

getting committed by her/his policy/policing, along with her emotional dysregulation that’s driving these sloppy definitions.

Then she closes with a double bind, both covert domination/manipulation and overt violence have no place in a relationship; and she exaggerates passive aggression along with overt aggression to create a stronger emotional sanction.

This is my reply, mostly from my first impressions, I could’ve probably refined it down and made it more succinct, as she’ll likely dismiss most of it, find some fragment to distort, then go on full attack…
or she’ll just disappear.

comment is in this video clip:

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