YouTube comments tracker - orig RG Live 4/17/21 promo

Deef

This is a sort of positive back and forth, commenters are calling out and policing each other.. impressive..

From this video clip
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I posted that in response to high traffic and comments from this video… I also thought it added some context..
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It’s sorta fun making some progress with getting a feel for comments flow or see some little potential bright signs… but it’s also a bit of a time suck…. so might need put some time limits or other ways to add some distance..

Deef

Hilarious… I posted a clip that’s over a year old, and someone thinks it’s a recent and new content? Exclusive probably, as it probably came out so precise because of group dynamic. And also he was fresh off writing his book, so his mindset was more personally reflective.

Next potential clip for the channel, and also another indirect response to the critics about interruptions..
It also could be a good clip for Sat, good example of intellectualization defense and Grannon describes it well too..

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oh… and my channel could be filling a need for a space between tiktok’s sloppy 1 min excessive looping short videos… and youtube’s typical 20min to 60min length videos… a middle ground, that few are using… Anna Akana typically keeps hers under 5 mins, but she’s got her own advertisers paying instead of YT’s monetization..

Deef

Comments stream is escalating in surprise and aggression, maybe it’s the algorithms spreading it to a new audience??

I’m starting to get inklings of this scapegoat and demonize guru’s and anyone who sticks their neck out, type of dynamic… it’s different than projecting god qualities on the guru target… instead it’s projecting harsh judgments and entitled mindset of extreme paranoia and conspiracy like exaggerations of evil mastermind that’s actively pulling strings of the audience and feeding, etc…

I think I’m almost getting to the common core wound at the bottom of these out-rage rants and attacks…. there is a need to be seen, a need to feel important.. and also maybe isolated with extreme personal misery… so there’s a high if they can get someone’s attention and spread misery…..

it’s like a variation of fragile narcissist’s paranoia, clumped with BPD like fragmented memory and mindfuck projections…

Cupid’s Lawyer was a bit easier to not get triggered, as his attacks on the host weren’t as personal… and the time stamps show some real time was invested… but then the conclusions show a strong cognitive bias to look for evidence that matches his shadow emotional mood states….

Don’t have the mind space to break down the comment for now, but might be worth visiting in the future…

On the flip side.. there are some very well thought out, and personally vulnerable comments which is pretty impressive too!?

This sorta shows that there is a hunger out there to share opinions and try to promote working together…

It’s just quite a weird landscape… this youtube comments arena…. which is supposed to be much nicer compared to facebook comments stream?

Onnaloves

Deef you’ve got something happening on your channel which is NOT happening on Richards channel. The cray crays have come over but everyone is trying to SOLVE SOCIAL DISORDER. I’m ENJOYING THIS FIGHT.
You cannot believe what a joy this is to see some people actually INVEST THE TIME to have dialogue! Instead of emotional terrorism. There is a hive of activity on your channel that is learning to read signs of social behavior, learning the non verbal and thoughtful ways of communicating.
i am enjoying this lesson on YouTube - because they are running scripts for me to think and use. I am absolutely RUBBISH at social immersion. It gives me anxiety because I feel we up to fail, I can’t communicate, my thoughts are always twisting and I can’t keep up, let alone find one noodle of thought and pull it out in time.
the algorithm is sending people to you, who engage in Reams and paragraphs of communication. People that want to be heard but can’t because they don’t produce anything on their channel.
Grannon cannot break away from his audience, it’s too large and geared heavily toward the disordered. His profile is typically the target profile for hackers to siphon off desperate people - we chose targets according to their follower behavior.
the few who have taken on board grannons teachings have evolved and are trying to apply it to more healthy interaction - which cannot be taught, but only witnessed here on your channel.

Deef

Starting to try to intentionally trigger commenters, some of it’s getting through, while I’m also putting giant target on my head…. it still hurts reading these aggressive attacks… but I’m building up a Youtube thick skin, and slowly I’ll figure out some more precise counter tactics. Every attack slowly exposes their patterns, and therefore underlying sensitive, weak and vulnerable spots.

This clip got some reactions

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Grey Knight negative ones that got deleted by YT

Some of these comments show some level of reflection was triggered

Fryek

Wow… what a fucking mess… a “community” in the middle of town square with crazy homeless people jumping into the middle of “private” discussions of inner pain.

Onnaloves

Fryek this is getting fun 😈 grey knight is an asshat and others are calling him out on his shit. He’s made himself a familiar twat.

Onnaloves

I’ve discovered a facet of YouTube that I actually like… commenters get a profile pop up on your channel, I can see their history on your channel, it makes it really cool for checking out who they are.

i don’t know if you get to see it on the desktop but there must be a way - like hover over the name or something. I do not have regular fans interacting on my channel, I’ve AVOIDED IT. Like you, I always found the comments burning and hurtful. I felt attacks differently - based on my sexuality, and most were not directly hateful but they were demanding, overstepping my boundaries which hurt me.

it’s a pointless war for me or is it? I also get a few female "“bunny empaths” who attack me with aggressive decency 🤣 I love those attacks because I hate them so much I slaughter them, and YouTube rewards me for the semantic fight.

i am purposely subscribing to people who start to interact and reflect, it’s interesting! People are starting to recognize each other and jump on each other’s monologues and actually have group dialogue with slow pacing that allows the burns to burn out. This is a great tool for me to learn discourse instead of avoiding it.

until next practice meet!

Onnaloves

I just found a perfect meme for Grannons followers:

and the ones that pour over to visceral gravitas are acting out funny.
they are shocked to see the man inside the suit..
grey knight is acting like a twat and attacking everyone, because he’s blaming the man underneath for being false.
and the love Fests are like, when I grow up I want my own pikachu pajamas. STILL not making their own pajamas.
i think the goal with gurus is to emulate not copy, take their words and synthesize your own meaning and path. But people are still caught up attacking the man under the suit, or fantasizing they can get some new cuddly pajamas.

Deef

Look at Juliana & Brenda turn some of the critical commenters??? Maybe people are excessively harsh online because they’re feeling isolated?

That series was from Saturday… and this one happened early Sunday morning…

It’s not all the critical comments.. maybe about half of them have been turnable.. the other half escalates or continues same behaviors…

Deef

Okay… still failing at attracting new meetup members via YT, though the critics might be the hardest to pull out of their cave…

Interesting parsing out his response… I continue to sense an underlying pattern of paranoia… some hope at the surface but lots of lack of trust, caution, possibly hyper-vigilance under that.

@Visceral Gravitas I want to make sure I’m reading all this right.
So, was Brenda talking about this VG group? I’m getting mixed signals here.

Yes it would have been better for Brenda to respond w/ details Deef which I encouraged her to decide to do via meetup message, but guess maybe she was busy? But is me jumping in, that much of a mixed signal? The message was from the channel’s owner..

Edit: I’ve had a think.

This is honorable, including the edit, along with the initial thought.. so no rewriting of initial response

I’m no longer interested in the group dynamic in regards to healing.

Did a protector part or something inside got triggered? I sense and am reading into it, that there’s been an extended period of draw towards a group or others, but that’s been and continues to be over-ridden by defenses.

Now, the added over-done explanations following, I’d argue show signs of intellectualization and rationalization. A super-ego part that’s quashing emotional inner child type parts?

Alone thought & reflection is where I’m at in that process.

Let me stay in the tiny crack in a cave.

I thought it would be a group where different deeper thoughts were discussed.
That’s my mistake.

Owning his/her mental projection, a version of fantasy utopia. Of which any and all groups will never fit this ideal. Especially if a paranoia part is looking for any and all signs of potential danger or deception.

I wish your healing group the best in finding true solutions as a collective.

Overly polite here, I suppose that’s pacifying the emotional part that was some friends to play with. But the directive/injunction at the end probably describes his/her fantasy utopia of an ideal group dynamic, more than ours.

I’m not looking to pick out what’s missing.
Just seeking truth in the avenues of the internet where guidance & help were presented.

Self created cognitive dissonance.. pretty cool, here! Not ready for shadow work (perfectly fine), but counter balances it with an ideal… seeking truth outside.. but I’d argue the shadow is still projecting a lens, filtering the online guidance and help..

You can learn a lot about yourself by seeing where you choose to go for answers & “help”.

Added justification for his/her stance. (also totally fine).. What’s missing, is you can also learn a lot about yourself by seeing what you avoid.

Educational experience, none the less.

Pretty good closing statement. I’d argue it’s a half truth, or potentially self-deceptive.
I’m reminded of some saying that might’ve came from India or some eastern saying… If you’re searching for water, you can dig 50 wells 10 feet deep… what are the odds of getting any water?? Or you can dig 5 wells 100 feet deep… which has better odds for success.. (the numbers probably not perfect, but I hope you can get the ‘gist’ of the metaphor).

Westernerized consumer mindset towards healing is like this. Graze in various fields of self-help and healing, but never going deep enough in any. Creates the illusion of healing or learning, but it’s all just surface, nothing really sticks.

👉🗝️⚖️🔦🧻🤔🎶🎚️

yikes… emoji code… not my specialty…

pointer to key & balanced (seeking the holy grail master-key perfect balance? = utopia?),
flashlight toilet paper roll wonder (skepticism for bs?)
music + volume control (block noise?)

Deef

I cut out our closing moment from Grannon Live pt2 (also recalled Jeff’s comment on it being his favorite) and released it on the channel earlier today, and it got 200 views? Is a big portion of that from my tiny subscriber base of 594 accounts?

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Anyway, this user has been showing a pattern of insults, so I decided to bite on this comment. Sorta sensing out the feel of ‘cognitive dissonance’ and turning it into a weaponized language. I’m no where near BPD skills just yet, but hopefully this try won’t backfire.

Oh. and this person’s pattern is showing little to no value, so it’s starting to raise the odds of hiding/blocking his comments from the channel. So not much to lose by playing around a bit before doing a social media exile judgment.

Onnaloves

Deef this grey knight is one annoying asshat

Deef

More Grey Knight desperate attention seeking behavior?
It does have a feeling of underlying pitifulness or delusion?

Is the attack on Peterson… like this comment will be seen by Jordan? Or is it to hurt who’s feelings?? What’s the purpose of this wasted energy??

Or is it like being a hurt injured dog trapped in a corner, barking up a storm to scare off anyone else, because it feels so vulnerable, exposed and trapped. But that’s like wasting all your bullets with the fake barking, once a real attack comes, there’s no energy to fight.

Sure there’s an illusion of escape on the internet, and his style of interaction is hit & run.
But what if people can get their attention trapped even in social media comments section????

Deef

It’s almost 5am and I got my group email task finally done, and my diving into comments, sparked another defensive attempt. Hopefully it won’t backfire too bad.

Onnaloves

Deef not only YluRube comments gave me such anxiety in the past, but comments everywhere. And in FaceBook groups too, the comments can really drag you.
s I started using all platforms to feed YT to dilute the YT perspective of me, which it did, but you have to target the right groups… which I then went and left because ppl are such a bunch of non-growing sheeple. But these groups i would often skim people who were afraid to comment on YT and instead overflow onto my Patreon.
I have noticed the same communication type here. On YT commenters think they are confident to stand up for themselves in an open cesspool. So they **don’t think ** a practice immersion group has much value to them. I think at this point people coming through YT should be separated out with a door fee. It makes them think about the value because now they can’t dismiss it. You’re not capturing them anyway so no loss to filter through YT with a door fee.
the same comment dynamics happen on FB ADS. When I buy traffic from FB, those that comment and troll on the ad, would hurt my husband, and not purchase his consultancy. They would only turn the ad into a cesspool. So I put the responsibility of the FB algorithm to fetch us BUYERS ONLY in other words, we would only pay, if they converted on our end. Guess what? zero commenters poisoning the ad.
so in my experience, people are quick to place comments, do not want to grow, never buy or convert, but here’s the ratio of conversions I would expect. For every 2000 views, I would have a new patron, even $5 helped, so the trick was to get the video sustaining itself so that on a weekly basis I would pick up 10 new patrons a week. Which meant I was getting 20k views a week.
then I would simply drive traffic from every platform, IG, Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, FB because people lurking on these platforms tend to not comment on YT, they only feel safe commenting on each respective platform within the safety of hashtag groups or whichever groups.
traffic for my husband are completely a bunch of narcs. They are pretty easy to find in terms of behavior.
traffic for me are the sexually dysfunctioned. These are covert and pathetic, full of shame, and they are afraid to comment. The ones that do, do not convert.

I suggest you/we start building a paygate. You have huge value in what you do, that is DIFFERENT from others, and I CANNOT REPLACE THAT WITH ANY OTHER AVENUE. I see your value and it pains me when I see dicks who won’t convert anyway. The reason I argue with them, is simply to show the lurkers who do not comment their is hope through your group and community. It’s these hopeless people that are afraid to comment and engage. And yes they do read comments. So I’m sticking my neck out purposely to show them I believe in you. As no one else helped me.
no one! Therapists, authority, medical, the system, courts, EVERYTHING became a spiral for me, and I could trust no-one.

Deef

Onnaloves On YT commenters think they are confident to stand up for themselves in an open cesspool. So they don’t think a practice immersion group has much value to them.

I’d argue that this is falling for the trap of presuming and projecting agency upon YT commenters. I’m skeptical of conscious agency with people in person, adding a layer of virtual & social media, I’d assume even less agency as a safer starting point. Until the other person demonstrates a pattern of conscious agency, I’m gonna continue with default assumption of lack of agency (reactive infant baby is in control).

The thing with YT and other social media, is that this medium is a reactive attention sucking platform. People are drawn to comment as the video creates an intimate feeling and triggers all kinds of positive/negative/complex reactions. BUT often those comments are just written to the void, which triggers, still face/abandonment/floaty type incomplete story response.

On the flip side creators also struggle trying to decipher and make sense of comments, defaulting to in person social norms, but often getting surprised by the added layers of projections, illusion of intimacy reactive triggers, along with unrelated personal baggage in people’s psyche.

Navigating through this inherently noisy and confusion amplifying type of medium is likely beyond the social brains of 95% or more of the population.

Doing some sort of paywall, barrier of entry is something that could be on the table in the future. YT channel and VG forums presence is still tiny potatoes currently. Still just dipping my toes in and exploring the territory,
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some recent interesting comment flow:

This one from the ‘Our favorite Richard Grannon quote’ (Terror of Negative Emotions) 58s clip

A bit long and maybe outside of the context this short video clip, but a nice argued point that was linked to ‘terror of negative’ emotions.. Plus use of emojis.. I’ll give it a pin, in addition to a heart I gave earlier.

These comments below from Peterson commentary on the distorted nature of social media communication ‘like a constant paparazzi’ 2m01 clip

it’s a form of pseudo-information, it’s like you’re communicating with people
and you respond to it like you’re communicating with people

but, you don’t know what the hell’s going on with the person who’s commenting

you don’t know if they are even real, if they’re hiding behind some false pseudonym or if they’re trolling
or if they just had an absolutely miserable day and need to throw a dart at someone to alleviate some of their stress

I thought this was a gem of an observation when I first saw it, and that’s partially why I clipped this excerpt months ago.
Not that many comments just yet, but GK’s comment shows his/her mindset to make an excuse for his/her own pattern of trollish comments. Notice that there’s absolutely no ownership, but also it’s an argument in defense, which shows that the video or other comments struck a nerve.

I dived in again for some unknown reason, getting more familiar with the landscape but also tracking the flow, along with adding a somewhat reasoned argument and indirect though also somewhat direct warning for the price of continued reckless type of comments by suspected bad actor.
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H.S. offered some well argued and personally passionate commentary above, but this comment was a bit utopian like, and got deleted probably by self-editing mechanisms. As it was an unreasonable ask for Richard to specifically reach out to individuals 1-on-1 instead of doing it via a youtube live, and also it was likely in response to a 1m41s disclaimer video excerpt I posted of his which he commented on, and wanted to improve/clarify that message.

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1200+ views, 107 likes, and 51 comments in 9 days - that’s pretty impressive stats for a 3 min clip.

Deef

Excerpt from a new BorderlinerNotes video comparing 12 step program & therapy approaches. Their video editor is exploring multiple angles and harsh cuts. I’ve taken out some of 2 screen splits to create a bit better flow, but it’s still fragmented.. lol…

This part was a great message, and think it targets the underlying dynamic of online projections and exaggerated criticism and personal attacks….

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I’d argue that both personality disorders and codependents need to own their aggressive drives… and a codependent might be drawn to a NPD or BPD, because their unmet need is to control and quash external aggressive drive of others, and a person with a PD is the ultimate challenge. While someone with a PD, their disowned aggressive drives scares of normal people, so codependents are the only ones left to stick around…

What if the sticking point issue is disowned aggression?

I’m thinking of releasing this clip on the YT channel publicly soon, and would be curious at what sort of reactions it might bring up in the comments section??

Deef

Deef I’m thinking of releasing this clip on the YT channel publicly soon, and would be curious at what sort of reactions it might bring up in the comments section??

I overlooked these very good comments in the Frank Yeomans’ clip on disowned aggression:

Deef

fyi.. a potential new zoom group member from youtube traffic: or more interested due to the YT channel:

Im really looking forward to attending.
Ive watched a lot of your youtube clips and have done a lot of Grannon’s work.
I really like the style and pace of the group too.

But this person’s time zone is way off EST, so it might be hard for him to mesh schedules, and that might limit regular attendance…

Deef

Fairly quiet as far as critical comments go for the YT channel… and surprise these 2 comments are now deleted?? self-editing? I also remember a few other snipey/weird comments from this person and they might also be gone…

I recall the user name and image, and he/she gave 1 liner critiquing the host’s lilt, which I mentioned in Sat’s Cognitive Dissonance zoom…

So far.. no critical or troll comments for Sat zoom group on Cognitive Disssonance with 159 views

or Frank Yeomans video on importance of owning one’s aggressive drives with 52 views

So maybe youtube commenters can self-police themselves?? calling them out.. challenging them in the comments… then they retreat a bit?

I suppose they’re used to just being blocked or ignored… maybe they’re a bit confused with my channel?

Hard to tell though, could just be a temporary lull.. or the heat from grannon’s recommendations and grannon specific videos are dying down…

oh…. discovered another removed (self policing) comment that’s now gone..

This one wasn’t that bad, though is jumping to some conclusions…

So.. that’s at least 2 random commenters who have removed their comments recently… is it due to my directly attacking and making fun of critical troll like commenters in the Cognitive Dissonance zoom meeting? Can’t make a direct 1-to-1 link, but timing does match…

Comments feed feels like a bulletin board with a level of randomness… not ideal for real interactive conversation, but recent changes seem to a bit more productive leaning…

Onnaloves

Deef hahaha yes I remember attacking truth seeker too 🤣🤣🤣 I had a few people self police on my channel for calling out their crap, they continued attacking me but then deleted the whole thread. Hilarious. I really have been having some fun. Now I’ve started over on LinkedIn 🤣

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