Fascinating critiques… or is it just innuendo and slinging mud? with the whirlwind structure of random blasts from multiple directions…..
oh….. after the initial blast..I think I’m sensing where this might be coming from….. but I’ll probably still be off, and you can still spin my head around and stir things up more….. of course… that’s part of my critique of RG and his followers…. but it’s more so codependents in general….. and you’re welcome to claim that you saw it first…. and point that out as some moral high ground?
Fryek I was just annoyed that he was unable to take his own medicine or much recognize that he was a hypocrite?
Here might be a bit spot where we differ….. if somehow isn’t aware of their blindspot.. how they’re being fake or a hypocrite…. I try not to attack them for being ignorant of their ignorance…. yes I share with you frustration about that… but I find that it doesn’t really work to increase pressure on a person or teacher of their blindspot…
because they’re blind to it.
ALSO….. for me.. being neurodiverse….. I have gigantic blindspots that other people DO NOT consider or accomodate for, and often unconsciously take advantage of my blindspot.. because they see my super strengths in other areas…. so then I have to spend an inordinate amount of effort and energy tending to a blindspot of mind, or just slow/different processing area…. so yes… I tend to give more room for other’s blindspots, cuz people actively abuse and manipulate due to my blindspot……
or…. I can spin blindspot as code for owning humanity…. and when there’s aggressive attacks on other’s blindspots, it often feels like dehumanization…. and I’m guessing with (my senses and pattern recognition) that it could be a projection of their own super-ego and similar to how they fucking dehumanize their own inner child… and core self… and they use external gurus and wounded healers…. as scapegoat targets to dump their dehumanization…. cuz it feels better to tear down an external projection and it gives the inner critic a break from exiling and constantly dehumanizing and suffocating their inner child energy….
Deef… you’re carrying over your RG rant comments, now directing them at the FOLLOWERS (and they are followers) of RG… he has a cult, not a self help group…
meh… I didn’t have any real research/ precise observations to make…
so I was done rather quickly with the topic…
I could challenge your behavior to match this baseless claim….
if you’re really done, then why are you bring up a history of old offenses?
Here… in his 30 day challenge, I see that Deef… you’re carrying over your RG rant comments, now directing them at the FOLLOWERS
I agree that I’m carrying them over…. of which I’d counter… that’s continuity of an observation and theory… vs intentional fragmenting..
as for directing them at the followers…. I’m think I’m directing it at codependents in general, and their strategy and inner mindset…. and the fucking inconsistency between their public fawn self and actual inner fragility…..
and I’m also quite resentful that I was duped by their fawn self’s ego defenses and arguments, while their inner history is falling apart to narcissists…. who just lie to them, emotionally bully them, and codependents cave….
Some of the examples are quite horrific… physical abuse, tons of $$$ given away…. it really touched my heart… I shouldn’t be somewhat unsettled at their ignorance and mindset, that’s contributing this to continuing??
RG… he has a cult, not a self help group…
Point me to a real self help group?? aren’t they all cults? even therapy? this charge is meaningless if his followers is within the norm…
so few seem to be interested in real change/growth…
I agree and disagree with this.. it’s a bit paradoxical…. yes there’s tons of evidence of avoidance… that’s my rant side.. but the effort, energy and $$$ they put into this area… that behavior points towards desire for change…. but I’d argue it’s more so their demands of how the healing should come about….. that ‘never again’ and resentful drive, is more of the issue…
- Come on… don’t get all angry
- oh, well… vent away Deef…
- just had to stir something up for fun
Which of the 3 is true? or all of them? or a 4th that’s unlisted???
Did I get too angry? am I too mean? was I too emotional?
venting is allowed, not allowed…it’s good ? it’s bad? or should I self-obsess internally about venting in general from a meta sense…. why am I venting at all…. do you want me to sow doubt into my venting?
ahh… is this really about your fun? I can see some of it could be from that… I also see there could be many pragmatic benefits from your stirring things up…. also some potential revenge type motives as mentioned in the start of your own comments which I could also classify as venting.
Deef do you recall the reasons you were defensive?
That RG (and you) is/are “out there” being a public figure… offering an opinion and therefore have a target?
I felt that RG was disingenuous but somehow that triggered you Deef
(i was never talking about you, but i noticed that you defended RG as though I was)… interesting.
I am happy to dig up my reasoning with specifics, but I don’t think that’s your preference to get into specifics, as you’ve somewhat stated that position in the past…. but generalizing for simplification…. if RG is making a point that I think is a good, or I’m trying to bring up a theme from his point…. if someone just attacks his character, as fake… I find that triggering, because it’s an obstacle to the message and content I’m trying to bring into the conversation… or point out with the video clip…
And this is also my rant about social media dynamics…. the audience seems to feel free to ad-hominem influencers as public figures….. and this is fucking easy to do, as everyone is a flawed human being… but the attacks are often to attack the messenger to sour the message…
Most influencers have softened their message because of this (cancel culture overblown)…. so I spend a lot of time and get invested in the few that I find, and curate their material, to use as conversation starters…..
so, yes, sometimes when someone attacks the messenger to disrupt the message… I get triggered, act out, defensive, go ape shit… sometimes I find that as sabotaging the meeting, theme, group, etc. It’s disruptive, but often just for that purpose.. there’s limited pragmatic angle, other than a big ass fuck you…sloppy counter-dependent strategy….
I’ll flip the fucking game table over.. and ruin everyone’s game… if i’m unhappy…. this is my oldest brother’s mindset of which I got him to openly admit… I find that a bit hitting too low.. but it is also a good strategy….
I love that the RG rant fest thread (now with 111 posts) was started cuz Kurt
(hence my avatar on the thread) had some ranting to do about RG…
and now it’s ALL Deef’s thing!?
I find this argument is weird….. is this a venting, that I’ve hijacked your ownership and origin of the RG rant fest?
Or is it a vent that a RG rant fest got taken away from RG content tracker thread???
or that this 30 day challenge tracker has turned into a bit of a rant fest…
(of which I’m self judging my posts to wonder whether to transfer to the RG rant thread or moved to a less public place)
ok.. circling around to opening paragraph….
Fryek Well, it seems the bloom is off the rose (RG)?
Is this is framing that finally others can see the light?? I’d argue there was new data since early days… in particular his recent relationship reveal… repeating his repetition compulsion there.. but also his re-writing of his book, which is covering same realizations he shared in april 2020…. and now this 30dc and end of SLC transition shows evidence of repetition compulsion…. it’s a good case study….
Are we supposed to just shut it down and move onto another focus? or is it more we should go back to old positions and beat ourselves up for that? or is it about giving you attention for something?
Fryek HOWEVER… I do recall getting rather bent out of shape feeling
(FEELING)
that RG was a little off and I do recall Deef becoming a bit defensive?
ok.. so is this it… do you want your FEELINGS validated?? you had a vibe in the past.. and did you feel your feelings weren’t adequately validated? Me being defensive, was threatening or invalidating to your feelings?
If we’re gonna stay in the realm of feelings, then we can say feelings are inarguable…. letting you have you feelings fully validated… but then I could also counter with my own feelings that you can’t argue too…. and then we can have a sharing feelings fest, and get no where? But at least our feelings will be center stage…
So…. how can I share my feelings, in a way… that isn’t perceived as defensive to you? Or is there only room for 1 person’s feelings to be fully validated??
(that’s sorta the underlying true real life acted out definition of psychological safety - safetyism)