YouTube comments tracker - orig RG Live 4/17/21 promo

Deef

These comments from a youtube community post on MY channel

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxoYmjFvj4MQJVY8-eeIb7bbzL0CJqiTjk

This Goombee rather clever in not revealing much of anything, though some stuff slipped out.

Sowing doubt, name calling, judging my emotions, while sharing little of why he/she cares, and what’s their agenda?

Request for more info, responded with nothing… and nothing.. then I escalate..

Escalation triggered a leak of his/her amusement/ridicule defensive posture… BUT… clue here is over-reaction to emotional intensity of last comment, so he/she is emotionally fragile, and also doesn’t like being labeled.. or the labels I gave hit close to home..

This was longest post, which shows some energy to write up, it ends up with subtle demand/judgment on ad-hominem, of which is likely admission that prior judgments landed…

I take the fake sincerity bait…. how will it turn out?

Response got shorter and back to mystery hiding… so sincerity was fake…. circles back to willful ignorance stonewall…. but keys back on trying to control my emotional reaction…. and a request which might be his/her agenda… he/she doesn’t want more negative content coming out of RG….

zooming out….. is the tone and posture of his/her messages essentially a school teacher wagging it’s finger at me…. bad boy…. don’t do that…. that sort of scolding…. tsk tsk…

Essentially it’s tone policing but with a bit more dismissive silencing vibe…

clever masking…. and the greater dissonance is this is a comment on a community image sharing post… which is a weird place for him/her to go into scolding judgment mode….

good practice though…. it got me a bit unsettled…. but if you keep them talking, they will reveal their triggers and agenda ….. it comes out based on what they respond to or not respond… and also what they repeat on..

Deef

YT comment battles have kept me busy though I haven’t been updating them in here…. some get rather lengthy and tiring.

But this unusual comment by Louise who tends to use tons of intellectualization, shows what seems to be a common pattern in rabid RG & SV defenders…. they’ve split and are likely getting masochistic pleasure being allowed to spew attacks and judgment on the bad object…

A prior back and forth is in this earlier post:

Deef someone who talks with a wall of words

If you follow her wording, it totally distracts from Lee’s gripe…

She’s got what, 2 main points… 1. he hasn’t changed, and 2. think of his kids
I’ve seen variations of this think of the poor victim shield, but it’s fake…. attacking someone in a comment thread, where you’re talking to others, not even the target… Does absolutely nothing… and point 1, if he hasn’t changed through therapy, what kind of idiot are you to think YT comments would influence him at all, even at the tiny chance he’d even read the word salad drivel??

The Black & White is a good attempt at middle ground, but she just redirects it back to Lee as the bad object…

So try to redirect back to the theme of the video and more likely what triggered her… and then try to escalate, calling out behaviors and potential defenses going on…. I suppose I could’ve filled in the price of these defenses, but I guess I left that open ended a bit….

I also tried to link it to the RG & SV feud, as these patterns of rabid attacking and defending, seems to be people upset to see the reality that wounded healers haven’t healed that much….. being able to teach or play a role, doesn’t equate to conflict resolution skills…. nor does it mean they both don’t regress back into splitting and infantile defenses themselves…

The illusion of a saintly guru gets crushed… and people freak out… or they just dig in deeper with denial….

ergo… Lee’s rant is partially because he’s not feeling seen or recognized… as people keep rejecting him, and project a hopeful healed by Jesus former Narcissist…. it’s demeaning to him…. oh and he’s also seen and heard of many priests who are reckless narcissists, using Jesus healed or can heal me again as a shield to keep cheating and abusing people…

1m24s

I just feel like, Do y’all not watch my stuff?
I keep telling y’all I have not changed overall
I’m still a narcissist
I just feel like y’all see what y’all want to see

I tell you like hey I’m still a narcissist
you’re like no you’re not

I just feel like, y’all see what y’all want to see

there are people in my comment sections on my YouTube videos
I will literally introduce myself as a diagnosed narcissist and they will come in my comment section
You need to stop introducing yourself as that!
You’re not a narcissist anymore you’ve been in therapy long enough

I’m like shut the fuck up like y’all don’t know

I just feel like y’all see what y’all want to see
y’all don’t know

you’re not a narcissist anymore the blood of Jesus can cure you
I just feel like y’all see what y’all want to see

my mama be saying that type of shit my aunt said that type of shit
the blood of Jesus can cure
I’m not trying to be funny like
where is this blood of Jesus that’s going around that can cure you
I just feel like that’s a spiritual mindset
it’s not an actual thing
like there’s no fucking IV attached

I’m not getting the IV of Jesus’s blood in my vein right now

the shit that I’m doing for myself it is a god-blessed journey
God gave me the road map but I had to walk the trail myself
God gave me the road map I had to walk that trail myself

Oh….. and this is what RG would occasionally rant about…. he’d share an admission that he still struggles and is frustrated with codependence, and the audience would totally ignore the admission…. or cheerlead him even more….

it’s getting fucking ridiculous the nature of this audience effect on social media…. projecting this false image…. or golden shadow onto the wounded healer….. people are too terrified to own their potential good side, cuz it requires responsibility and self-leadership…. so deny their own potential and project it onto a wounded healer…. blehh

Deef

More from louise garner, this is some strong evidence of BPD or Empath argumentation style…

This is the comment thread, I’ll quote the actual video transcript after, so you can see wrack your brains to see how she distorted so smoothly. She’s stressing one’s working memory and thinking capacity, creating cognitive dissonance, as one can’t hold these two opposite realities in one’s head, so your memory defaults to recent information, but your emotions still remember the prior world. So that’s an amazing tactic to bait an over-reaction, but it’s disoriented because you get lost in the other person’s reframe. Follow into their sandbox.

These openers - are vague enough to appear truthy…
I’d be asking …. So many do …
but then they’re followed by harsh shaming criticisms, of which are mind fucks as she’s doing and has been doing the same behaviors repeatedly that she’s spewing harsh disgust on. And then has the gall to judge others on this behavior, while openly continue doing it.

I somehow had the presence of mind to just glance over specifics and just notice she started with total dodge of the original video theme.

Her fake feigning of impersonal, while targeting it quite personal, was my guess… to escalate and hammer hard. She was showing some signs of caution and defensiveness, so that was my clue that she’s vulnerable and to ratchet up escalation and attack like crazy. That might be one of the rare times she’s over-exposed, and vulnerable to attack.

Though I’m sure she’s skilled from being a forum moderator, and had way more comment trolling exposure than me…
but I’m crazy enough to keep at it…

here’s the transcript of the video, followed by the clip:

Congruent type argument so the more things that are true across multiple domains the truthier it is
and then if the more things that are true based on history saying archetypes are old and that there’s selection process that makes it even longer standing and older
that makes it truer

and the people that don’t want to engage in that it’s easier to argue a narrow Focus
fragment and narrow focus
and then just try to destroy a larger contextual argument
by just arguing a tiny thing and just making a bunch of noise

the importance of rank ordering principles and priorities
if you mess up the fundamentals of discourse
where there is no priorities and there is no common ground on working definitions
and you can just attack the word liberal and say that pointer doesn’t exist
there’s no communication
we can’t even share a pointer of a generalization
if we can’t share that priority that we should have some level of honoring of words of some working bridges

then yes you can fragment and argue any context

I would say this is a strategic strategy that’s being thrown out there
but the end result is just chaos
I mean what’s going to end if you just take down all hierarchies priority structure

no one can think

1m29s

I mean, if someone can distort a 1.5m video clip, with such a concise, tight and summarized argument…. think of how much easier it’d be to fragment and distort a longer more nuanced argument, that you spent tons of energy and effort to put into words…. That would easily make you really frustrated an angry to have someone else totally deny your voice, and then attack you viciously with a distortion based on one tiny piece of fragmented content.

communication is hard…. and wounded healer, empaths, social media commenters can be quite vicious assholes….
maybe it’s necessary to be assholes back? or what other mechanism is there?
It’s hard not to take in their poisons of toxic shame dumps…. rejecting it with your disgust mechanism, sorta means you have to be an asshole…
How can you be nice and not take in their poison?

Deef

Got some retreat but I probably celebrated too early…

Deef

She’s getting shorter, is that a sign of retreat or regrouping?

I decided to keep hammering, we’ll see if it backfires?

Kelly

Deef

Each reply seems more nonsensical with the latest being a “good day sir”.

Wonka - Good Day Sir!

Deef

I decided to keep at it, stay in my frame and just keep hammering away.

I don’t recommend my strategy. I like playing with crazy… though Louise has been warned multiple times in prior battles, she should know what to expect.

Elven

Deef I think she likes YT comment battles.. maybe a future new member, who knows 😁

Suze

Elven Absolutely, she’s loving it haha.

WilliamDeGraaf

Man, arguing with wounded healers and infected therapists is the worst, they really know how to deliver mental liver shots, just like I can only imagine how their clients do to them.

It’s hard not to want to spit it out and sling it back at them. But I like to hang out at public self-help forums where the crowd usually takes the side of whoever speaks in the most familiar tongue i.e. Cluster B wicca talk. No way am I joining in!

I noticed this song really captures all my feelings that pop up when I get caught in some wounded healer’s mind games. Chaos, adrenaline pumping revenge fantasies, escaping plato’s cave with your life still intact, licking your wounds - all the phases of a violent argument in a single song!

Deef man it’s a breath of fresh air seeing you bring them out of fantasy back to reality. It’s so foreign to see since most forum environments I come across are very hostile against those that don’t engage with their online Cluster B fantasy space.

Suze

WilliamDeGraaf That song is amazing (maybe not the idea you had for posting it, but a great find for me lol.) Your idea for the social anxiety healing game thing sounds pretty cool, hope to play it one day! Also, at first, I thought you were a plant or something, sorry 🙂

WilliamDeGraaf

Suze Thanks, here’s the link to read more about it!

mariad

Suze lol Suze I thought he was a plant at first too!!! xD xDDDDDDDDDDDD

Deef

This back and forth from a 2 month old clip of Pierre addressing the end of TC escalated quick, but amazing in how pure infantile or childhood bullying tactics he resorted to?
It’s like just a shouting match of his reality, while plugging his ears.

Challenge him for a counter argument or evidence for his just doubt.

This stonewall of 'You’re arguing, NOT ME," then his misread of where he’s putting the comments, was just shocking due to the confusion. Then when challenged he starts slinging insults and direct threats? wow..

This came at me stonewall is fascinating, is it a BDP double bind territory, projecting his behavior onto me, while also morally judging me for behavior he’s doing.

There’s a 3rd comment that I didn’t capture, it sometimes doesn’t show up, but here’s the text:

@chongxina8288 19 hours ago (edited)
@VisceralGravitas
If you want to delete my comments that will be most welcome.
Because then you’ll get off my case. Or you can argue with yourself for all I care. Take it as a W if you really want to, you seem to really want to, I wasn’t arguing with you anyway.
You’ve caused it. Fck do I care? I didn’t even start out with a point to argue with! I simply shared thoughts.
Fcks wrong with you.

This is pretty extreme regression… I’m a bad parent, authority figure or something??
Then more delusion that he’s got no agency of causing it, but claims total agency to make it end by tantruming?
The fake claims of not caring, is obviously contradicts his behavior and investment with continued comments and demands.

The 🤫

is an interesting reply, is this admission of his tactic.. he’s aware of it? but can’t help it? Or he doesn’t care that it’s infantile or petty?

I’ll take this as evidence that he’s not sincere, and doesn’t care. But it’s also this is his/her only way to connect to others. Vulnerability and building a bridge is too exposing, scary and beyond his skillset.

I’m guessing his original post was defending RG, which leans him towards using RG as a parasocial relationship to regulate his emotions. While doing none of the work, or just doing it RG style to create fake sense of healing and growth. But it doesn’t stick, as evidenced here. Also he probably likes bullying other people, it makes him feel powerful and excited. Gives a bit of an escape form his inner hell of self-hate and toxic endless shame.

Deef

I think these are generally positive comments for Thursday’s YT premiere live watch video… on rewatch I thought it was a bit too dense and heavy for newbies to consume or make sense of.

Deef

The comments are now deleted, but this is a first, this was a critique about the korean ASMR cat massage videos:

I couldn’t tell if the first comment was serious, but this additional comment seems to be sharing her offense, since that video was from afterparty, and some of the cat-asmr Deef 2 screen was showing. The cat looking super passive, maybe could’ve been perceived as un-natural, possibly drugged, or abused by it’s owner….

interesting reaction…

Is our group sanctioning small animal abuse, by playing those videos? Would the videos of cute hamsters doing tricks also be considered manipulative too?

Elven

Deef That hilairiious, I saw the outrage first comment too and thought it was just a joke… I’ll have my sisters cats on zoom and Show how chilled out cats can be 😅Tinkerbell would absolutely be that chill in the right mood.

Suze

Deef

Suze

Elven Yeah, cats are going to let people know if they don’t like something, duh! Is Tinkerbell the white one? I think I remember your bunnies being black and white too? Animals know good hearts, idk if I could stand the screaming geckos but it’s the thought that counts, glad to see you settling into more peaceful surroundings with your new furry guardians.

mariad

They are totally drugged and it is 100% okay to keep posting it along side our meet ups without any shadow of any doubt. And obviously it is only about devious manipulation

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